would it be a young, virile pope like pope john paul ii? or do you have any idea who's in the running? are there five cardinals who are -- >> well, you know, usually this ripens as the pope becomes weaker and weaker. and benedict -- >> didn't do it. >> this is a complete surprise to even those who are in the know. so i would say that i would look for kind of heading out burke, who is the head of the supreme court, so to speak, of the church. he's an american. >> that would be unbelievable. that would be a first, obviously. >> and i'm not ranking them in any order. >> okay. >> scola in venice, who is a student of the pope, and intellectual on the youker side. pell of australia, would be another interesting one, simply because he's vigorous, and known. he was follow very much in the line of benedict. and then you've got a scattering of latin american and -- >> last time i remember -- >> some other italians. i wouldn't be surprised if we get another italian. because the italians are smarting from this, having lost the papacy now in the two rou